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Breeding Journal, Species: Pterapogon kauderni (Banggai Cardinal) Take 2

Breeding Journal DataSheet
This first post should be updated regularly to include new information as events take place or changes are made to your system

General
Species: Pterapogon kauderni
Social Structure: pair
Size of Individuals: Approx. 3 inches     
Age of Individuals: unknown
Date added to Tank: 4/28/2010

Broodstock Tank Details
Size of Tank: 29G Cube
Substrate Details: sand
Filtration Details: bioballs and live rock
Water Changes: 5 gal monthly
Water Temperature: 80F
Lighting: PC lighting
Lighting Cycle: varies not on timer
Other Tank Inhabitants: 3 threadfin cardinals, 3 juvenile occelaris clowns

Broodstock Feeding Details
Food Types: Sally's mysis shrimp
Feeding Schedule: 2x per day

Spawning Details
Date of First Spawn: 4/28/2010 per store employee (see below)
Spawn Time of Day: unknown /
Dates of Consecutive Spawns: 7/21/2010, 8/14/2010 , 9/21/2010, 12/23/2010, 1/16/11, 2/13/2011, 3/18/11, 4/17/11; 5/14/11 
Courtship Details: Didn't see courtship
Egg Size: approx. 1mm
Egg Color: pinkish
Egg Count: unknown

Hatch Details
Hatch Date: 9/7/10; 10/13/10
Hatch Time of Day: unknown
# Days after Spawn: 22
Larvae Description: mini adults


Larval Tank Details
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Larval Feeding Details
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Metamorphosis/Settlement
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Date of Settlement End:
Description of Fry:

Grow-Out Tank Details
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Age at Transfer

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    mhowe9
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    Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Pterapogon kauderni (Banggai Cardinal) Take 2 þðèñò (permalink)
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    I was out delivering flyers for the conference today and found a pair of banggai with the male holding.  I asked the employee if they for sales and he said yes.  He told me that they just noticed the male holding this morning.  So I went ahead and purchased the fish.  Unfortunately the male dropped the eggs when he was put in the bag.

    When I got home, I quickly threw together a makeshift egg tumbler out of a pop bottle, some airline tubing, and an airstone.  I placed the make shift egg tumbler into the BRT where my juvenile clowns are living.  I don't have very high hopes about getting these to hatch but we will see how it goes.  Here are some pics

    Eggs (Day 1)



    Makeshift eggs tumbler



    I will post some pics of the fish tomorrow after they settle into their new home.
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    mhowe9
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    Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Pterapogon kauderni (Banggai Cardinal) Take 2 þðèñò (permalink)
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    I finally was able to sit down for a couple of minutes and do some research.  Kind of bad timing since I had my daughter by myself tonight.  Based on that we now have Egg Tumbler on the Fly 2.0.  Basically the same as the first but I inverted the pop bottle.

    Here is a pic.  You can the eggs better in this pic too.


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    Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Pterapogon kauderni (Banggai Cardinal) Take 2 þðèñò (permalink)
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    Nothing is better than necessity for invention!

    Good luck
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    Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Pterapogon kauderni (Banggai Cardinal) Take 2 þðèñò (permalink)
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    Good luck on the eggs.
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    Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Pterapogon kauderni (Banggai Cardinal) Take 2 þðèñò (permalink)
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    The pair seemed to have settled in a little better to their new home.  I haven't seen them eat but they seem less stressed.  I have added some plastic plants that I had from my old freshwater tank.  They seem to like to hang out in them.  Here are a couple of pics of the pair




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    Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Pterapogon kauderni (Banggai Cardinal) Take 2 þðèñò (permalink)
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    Egg update:  The new tumbler is working a lot better.  There has been a lot better egg movement.  The eggs have broken apart from the mass and are tumbling individually.  Other than that, they seem to be doing ok
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    Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Pterapogon kauderni (Banggai Cardinal) Take 2 þðèñò (permalink)
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    Sorry if I didn't update this but the egg tumbler was a failure.  I ended up moving these guys a couple of weeks ago to a 29G cube that I had setup in my living room.  I went and looked today and the male is carrying eggs.  I was able verify it since he didn't eat tonight and I saw him chewing the eggs on a couple of occasions.  Here is a ok video (Sorry for some of the algae, I didn't clean since I didn't want to spook him). 

    [video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1M41OLZqpYU[/video]
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    Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Pterapogon kauderni (Banggai Cardinal) Take 2 þðèñò (permalink)
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    Bad News ... He ate the eggs.  So that's a 2 day hold.  I guess that's a start.  Here some pics I took the other night that I didn't have a chance to upload.




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    Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Pterapogon kauderni (Banggai Cardinal) Take 2 þðèñò (permalink)
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    We have another spawn today.  Hopefully we can do better than 2 days this time.  I have really loading them up on food.  21 days makes the release date on September 4th, right in the middle of MACNA.  Do you think I should pull them before or wait till after MACNA?  Here is a pic of the male.


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    Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Pterapogon kauderni (Banggai Cardinal) Take 2 þðèñò (permalink)
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    We are on day 7 and still holding.  Will have to look into getting a baby brine shrimp hatchery going

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    Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Pterapogon kauderni (Banggai Cardinal) Take 2 þðèñò (permalink)
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    We have made it through day 13.   I am leaning heavily towards pulling eggs before I leave for MACNA.  I need to get my brine shrimp hatchery going and some sort of eggs tumbler made this weekend.  Here are some current pics of the male





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    Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Pterapogon kauderni (Banggai Cardinal) Take 2 þðèñò (permalink)
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    Great shots!
    Save a Fish... Breed Your Own!
    http://www.fishtalpropagations.com/#!home/mainPage
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    Thanks Tal!
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    Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Pterapogon kauderni (Banggai Cardinal) Take 2 þðèñò (permalink)
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    Pretty much decided the I am going to pull the eggs on Wednesday before I leave for MACNA, which would be Day 18.  I set up a nursery in an unoccupied 20G that I have plumbed into my broodstock system  Here a couple of pics.

    Makeshift egg tumbler



    Fake urchin


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    Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Pterapogon kauderni (Banggai Cardinal) Take 2 þðèñò (permalink)
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    Alright, I pulled the eggs.  They are incubating in the glass in growout tank.

    Here are some pics.  18 day post spawn




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    Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Pterapogon kauderni (Banggai Cardinal) Take 2 þðèñò (permalink)
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    I got back from MACNA last night.  Here are the pics of the baby Banggai - 23 Day post spawn.  Notice the yolk sac still at the backside of the fish.  I will be starting artemia in the next couple of days
     

     
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    Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Pterapogon kauderni (Banggai Cardinal) Take 2 þðèñò (permalink)
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    I just took another look at them.  They look a little bit more developed, less of a yolk sac.  I did notice some feeding response when I added the artemia.  I counted a grand total of 5 at various stages of development.  We will see how this goes.
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    Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Pterapogon kauderni (Banggai Cardinal) Take 2 þðèñò (permalink)
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    It looks like 2 of them have settled.  Here is the best I can do right now.  I know the video is kind of bad. 

    [video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO3xlkySe8k[/video]
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    Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Pterapogon kauderni (Banggai Cardinal) Take 2 þðèñò (permalink)
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    The 2 remaining fry have been swimming high in water column today than they have before.  At this point,  I am going to consider the other 3 eggs in tumbler a loss.  Below is a better video showing the 2 remaining fry.

    [video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctw5x_meRS8[/video] 
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